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Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:16 am

I am an Aussie, my skin is not white, just looks what white skin with a nice tan would look. I stay out of the sun mostly.
At 40 I was suffering from chin hairs that I was having waxed and soon decided that IPL hair removal may be a good permanent option.
I went to what I thought was a reputable beauty clinic in my state's capital city.
I had a patch test after a consultation and the Fitzgerald skin type is 3
I came back 2 days later and had the first treatment. felt like the ping of a elastic band and a bit hot but nothing painful or severe.
On leaving my chin was a little pink and a little warm. My next treatment was 6 weeks later. Everything that happened with treatment 1 was repeated with treatment 2, 3 and 4.
Then last Wednesday I had appointment number 5. The machine being used was a Lumenis Quantum, all previous sessions the HR695 head was used. On this day the operator, which was the same for all of the previous treatments could not get this head to work. So she used a different head SR590 which is normally used for skin Rejuvenation (hence the SR in the head type) it was unbelievably painful. Hot and nothing at all like the previous treatments. Once the treatment was over, in about 10 seconds, the operator went for an ice pack and put it on my face for about 30 seconds, then sprayed it with an anaesthetic spray. took me to the front of the clinic and made me another appointment and sent me on my way. When I stepped out the door, the light hitting my face was like a flame thrower, I started to walk to my car with my head down and covering my chin with my hair and hands, not touching it though. I thought this isn't right, I stopped in the shade took a photo with my phone to look at my face. It looked dreadful. my first thought was to get out of the sun so i quickly went to my car, I started to drive home and thought ' just get home and get an icepack on it' then I thought about the 25 mins it would take to get home I then looked in my car mirror and saw the redness, blue bruising and skin missing in areas. so I stopped my car and went back to the clinic and asked for the operator and an icepack. I rotated ice packs for about an hour, as from frozen they were only taking about 15 mins to lose their heat on my face. While I was gone the operator called the people who service the machine, she must have known something was wrong to do that. So he arrived after about 30 minutes. I took his card, he was going there again on Thursday to check and service the machine. I emailed him and his first reply was :I am booked on the machine today. I will be taking output power checks on all heads before and after the calibration. I need to know what head she used, the one for hair removal is the 695, which she said had a simmer error, so it wasn't that one. Will get back TP you. Hopefully u get better soon.

After about an hour, I went to my car called my doctors rooms and got an appointment straight away. I was in a mess and in shock when I got there, I really should not have been allowed to drive. The nurses took me through and sat me in a private waiting area and the doctor was only 2 minutes after that. I explained what had happened. He said the only way to treat is the same as any other burn regardless of how the burn happened. He photographed my chin and then his nurses under his supervision applied a burn gel and burn dressing.

The next day I went back and the doctors and nurses checked the progress and made another appointment for this coming Tuesday when dressings should come off that will be day 7.

I got an email back from the service technician which said: I checked the output of the head that was used on you, it was a SR590 skin rejuvenation head. It was actually measuring 5 Joules of energy lower than what was set up on the screen. After the calibration the output is now in tolerance of the dialled up energy +/- 1 Joule. It is a good thing that the actual power output was not more than the dialled up energy. You can be assured that the machine is working fine and Lumenis is a very good safe product which is made between the USA and Israel partnership and not a Chinese.
I do not have a clinical background and nor am I trained in the use of the machine. My background is purely technical. The HR695 Hair Removal head that was faulty at the time yesterday was the one you probably have used before. I do not know the implications of using a skin rejuvenation SR590 handpiece for skin removal. Unfortunately the applications lady for this IPL company has just resigned last week. You may like to contact this place in Melbourne they are known well for their IPL training. They may be able to answer the implications of using a skin rejuvenation head to treat hair removal.


This included the details of an institute on the other side of Australia, I emailed them but they are yet to get back to me.
I also emailed the manager of Lumenis who looks after these machines in Australia and New Zealand, his email reply was: Thank you for the email, please see a Dermatologist immediately regarding any possible complications.The following information will help us understand the event that occurred.Where were you treated, by whom, what was the name of the IPL machine, who is the engineer / company that inspected the IPL?

I sent my email reply to him but by the end of the day had not received any information back from him so I called his direct number. He was not overly helpful but told me to stay 100% out of the sun and follow my doctors advice but that I did need to see a dermatologist.
I rang a dermatologist and made an appointment.
I received an email 2 days after it was sent from the clinic asking if they could call and make an appointment so the operator could check my face and wanted to make sure I was not picking my skin and was using the bepanthan cream they provided me when I left the second time. I sent an email reply outlining what had happened from the minute I left their clinic. Within 1 minute my phone was ringing. The operator wanted to tell me that this was not a big deal and that I should not make it into one and that in 7 to 10 days everything would be fine and back to normal. She said if i sent her my doctors bill she would pay it. I told her I don't know how she can know that everything can be fine when me and my doctor do not know that. She asked if I was in pain, i was not, she asked if the skin felt tight, it does not, she asked if it was still hot, I said no, it was just itchy. She reminded me not to pick and I reminded her that it was not possible to do that with burn dressings on. The operator then rang back 2 minutes later asking for my doctors information so she could ring him for a report. I told her no, that the burns on my face at the moment are between me and my doctor and that I would keep her updated on the progress and that I had no need to lie to her.

So now I am falling apart, a crying mess, not so nice to be around for my husband and three kids, I have had to cancel work I had scheduled for the weekend, I am a photographer and have my own business. I don't know whats under this dressing, the doctor said on the second visit that he blew up the photo he had taken the day before and he could see many burn holes in my face skin and could see the hair follicles with the dark hairs still in there. It is so itchy, its driving me crazy, I cant sleep because of the itch and because my mind just keeps thinking worse case scenario. I am trying to stay away from Google images :( the few I have seen are already giving me nightmares.

Any advice, tips, knowledge of this machine, the use of a skin rejuvenating head being used for hair removal, anything really, the only other thing I know is that the treatment from 1-4 was 32 joules and that the operator told me she upped it to 38 this time, but she told the service guy and me yesterday on the phone that she used 32 same as before. so hence I am the formerly smiling photographer, well I do have a sliver of humor left in me. Thanks
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Kiki » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:17 am

Thank you for sharing your story with us formerlysmiling. We all know what it's like to go through this kind of trauma. I find it interesting that changing the head of the device led to such a dramatic shift in how your treatment turned out. Also the fact that these machines and their calibration can easily go off course is just so damned frightening. Stuff like this keeps happening to innocent people and these practitioners always try to downplay it. I'm sorry you're going through this. I think with the type of burns you're describing, thing will heal up. I would keep the dressings on and follow your doctor's instructions. There are a few products that come to mind that you could get to accelerate and help with healing. Psoria-gold and Biafine. Look into these. We've discussed them both a lot on the forum. We'll be here for you through this.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:48 am

Hi FS,

I'm glad you had the wherewithal to go back to the clinic and then to your doctor's office. Seems to me if a clinic is going to do IPL/laser, they should have a burn clinic on the side... I was also glad to read your doc took pictures and that you've taken pictures yourself.

I don't know anything about this device or head- Hope you're able to get some answers.

Kiki's advise regarding Biafine and Psoriagold is excellent. I wish I'd known about these products and started using them immediately after I was burned. Some have credited Biafine with reducing/eliminating their scarring.

Wishing you much healing.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Sam » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:33 pm

I am so sorry to read your story, but I am so happy and relieved to hear that you have gone to your drs and had proper burn treatment right away. This will make all the difference in your recovery, plus you cooled down the burns straight after, which again is a big plus in stopping deep damage. Furthermore, going to your dr and getting medical treatment and photographs will prevent the the clinic denying that you were burnt, as is often the case. I also agree with Erica and Kiki that biafine and psoria gold taken early on after the burns will help reduce the inflammation and heal the skin. I wish you much, much healing.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:52 pm

formerlysmiling wrote: The operator wanted to tell me that this was not a big deal and that I should not make it into one and that in 7 to 10 days everything would be fine and back to normal. She said if i sent her my doctors bill she would pay it. I told her I don't know how she can know that everything can be fine when me and my doctor do not know that. She asked if I was in pain, i was not, she asked if the skin felt tight, it does not, she asked if it was still hot, I said no, it was just itchy. She reminded me not to pick and I reminded her that it was not possible to do that with burn dressings on. The operator then rang back 2 minutes later asking for my doctors information so she could ring him for a report. I told her no, that the burns on my face at the moment are between me and my doctor and that I would keep her updated on the progress and that I had no need to lie to her.


The operator knows she messed up big time and she's obviously trying to downplay it... Plus you have plenty of documentation to prove it which is scaring her further. (A similar exchange happened between the damaging RN and me) Continue documenting, but my advise is to keep her completely out of the loop. She and the clinic will try to find out as much as they can and turn it around to their favor. (Happened to me) Right now it seems you have the advantage which I'm sure is scaring the hell out of them.

If you're interested in the Psoriagold, Dr. Heng is very accessible - don't hesitate to send her an e-mail describing your situation and maybe picture too.

Again, wishing you much healing and I hope you'll be able to change your name soon to "smilingagain" We're here for you.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:07 pm

One of our members just posted about this topical: post24405.html#p24405
Thought it may be worth checking out (although I don't know of any members who've used it).
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:16 pm

Kiki, Erica and Sam you are angels :) thank you so much for replying, your thoughts are greatly appreciated. I will be looking at all treatment advice and will keep the operator out of the loop :)
I feel much better knowing I am not alone, I wish I was that I would not wish what I am going through on anyone but it's hard at home when my family do not understand what I am feeling. Thank you so much I am still trying to find more info on this machine, I may not help but it's a distraction at least :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:40 am

Update: went back to the doctor today. He decided not to remove the burn dressing :( its so itchy. But if that's best I will cope. I have a referral to a dermatologist and an appointment in two days time, so hoping there is answers then, Biafine does not come up as a prescribable medicine, I found it on eBay for $40, but not sure if customs will stop it coming in. Will see what the dermatologist says :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by darla » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:48 am

hello lovely

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. The more I learn about this more the more corrupt I realise it is. I cannot believe that the operator can sleep at night - most concerned with covering her own butt. I hope that you heal well and that your damage is superficial. I am in Australia too and ordered biafine off the internet - it arrived fine. Stay strong and positive and good luck with the dermatologist appointment. We'll be thinking of you :-)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:26 am

Thank you Darla :) brought me to tears. You are so sweet to reach out to me, great news about the Biafine, I hope to have an active healing plan soon :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:02 am

FM, they've recommended you see a dermatologist but what about a burn specialist too? That I didn't see a burn doctor right after damage is my biggest regret. Honestly, I saw at least several derms and none of them was helpful. A burn doc should be able to get you in right away, obviously, as that is the nature of their business. Hugs!
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:09 am

Hi Erica
Thanks, I have not heard of a burns doctor, I will have to look into that, I would have thought that they would be specialists that would be attached to hospital burn units rather than be out in the general scheme of things that you could go and consult. But certainly worth a look into. thanks heaps :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:06 am

The burn surgeon I saw had a clinic and I made an appt. as I would any other doc. (This was a couple of months after damage). But yes, a burn clinic, I would think would be the way for you to go. Good luck FM.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:37 am

Thanks Erica I will look into burns clinic's :)
UPDATE: So today I was off to the dermatologist, looking like a freak in a big scarf when its scorching hot weather here :(
I had the burn dressing removed, I had convinced my self that it wouldn't be that bad once the bandages came off.
I was wrong. There has been a heap of healing but there is a heap of deeper burns that are needing longer to heal.
So a new burn dressing went on, and its to stay on 2 weeks till the next appointment with the dermatologist.
All the damage and the hair follicles are still fine and the hair is still growing :( even though in the photos you could see the hairs burnt in the follicles.

The dermatologist tried to say as little as possible about what to expect :( so that makes me worry as well.
I went and brought a new scarf that is smaller and lighter to cope better in the heat, I am housebound except for the school run, so went to target picked up one that had a $7 clearance tag on it and it scanned at $3.63 so that was the up for the day and something to smile about.
Had a cry and talked to the hubby and feel a bit better now but another 2 weeks of waiting stinks.
We have had a family holiday booked since January and are meant to be going in three weeks and its a country with alot of harsh sun, close to the equator :( so now I am stressing about going, about the sun, about covering up, about being able to enjoy myself :(

Up side though I liked the Dermatologist he was very nice, professional and very thorough with his note taking.
He also mentioned a cream that can be prescribed to retard hair growth, if only I had know about this last year before I went down the IPL route. Hope knowing this helps someone else in the future :)
Thanks for listening x
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:06 am

Hi FM, Dont' mean to sound like a broken record but a gal who was burned by IPL to the point where she described "chunks of skin coming off" was given Biofine immediately and she credits it with her lack of scarring. Maybe they've given you a similar emulsion though?
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Mandy » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:59 pm

I just wanted to chime in about biafine. I used on a sore and it healed like magic. I was amazed! I was burned too before going on vacation. I have three kids also. I stil had fun on my vacation but I was stil consumed with worry about my face. Hopefully u will have some healing before then. I used a sunblock and hat. And some days a unbrealla. Some guy actually accused me of being Katie Holmes trying to hide my identity! lol. I'm glad that you are seeing a derm hopefully this will be resolved soon for u. Everything looks worse before it looks better!
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:47 pm

Thank you Erica and Mandy :) I do get it, and sometime a stuck record is a good thing when my head space is all over the place. I have ordered Biafine today on ebay direct from France. for $40 inc postage there was a small tube listed in the US for double that :( sad that people have to double the price like that. I am not sure what the first emulsion was that was under the dressing, the dressing is called fixamull, the emulsion was a clear gel. But I am back to the dressing again. I have asked for express post on the Biafine so I hope it arrives quickly. I have started to notice today changes in the pigment colour of areas of my face that were not burnt, i think more of my face has been affected just to a lesser degree. The dermatologist yesterday 'prepared' me for the prospect of the worse affected areas being white once they have healed :(
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:09 pm

AnyOne know the difference between Biafine emulsion and BiafineACT/cream?
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by andrea » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:17 pm

Did you just have your chin done? You said that you see pigment changes on the rest of your face, so i was a little confused about where you ahd the ipl.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:53 pm

Only had chin done but the light still hits other areas of my face less intently as it was not all covered up during treatment. Either side of my chin is looking different on one side it almost looks like the mask of pregnancy. Very strange ?
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:11 pm

formerlysmiling wrote:AnyOne know the difference between Biafine emulsion and BiafineACT/cream?


I wasn't able to find much information but did find this: BiafineACT has the same formula that of BIAFINE."

So maybe they are of a different consistency?


Sounds like the doctor was preparing you for hypopigmentation? And the "mask" is possibly hyperpigmentation? Many of us have experienced damage in other areas of our faces that weren't treated. Thermal damage has no boundaries - burn surgeon I saw described my damage as "laser splash." Glad to hear you ordered the Biafine, I really think it will help you. Hang in there and we're here for you along the way.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:01 am

Thank you so much Erica.
:( another crappy day , the operator rang me asking questions about the damage. And still going on about 7-10 days all will be healed up and fine. Then she starts asking me about my contact with lumenis! I have not been in contact with them after the first contact I outlined in my OP. she asked me what I wanted from her? I told her I didnot want anything from her. Everything I am doing at the moment relates to healing, minimizing damage, scaring etc and staying out the sun, there is nothing this operator can do at this point. I told her I was not happy, that I was burnt because she did the wrong thing and I don't know how much damage is there and what the outcome will be. She was all no so nice to me over the phone call:( I was not the one who did the wrong thing :( sucks, tears again, sucks that this woman gets to me :(
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:15 am

Hi FM, My two cents: I wouldn't accept her calls anymore, she needs to be cut off and out of the loop. Again, my guess is she's trying to gain information from you for HER gain. She's not looking for ways to help you, she's looking for ways to cover her ass. Keep documenting. I don't know if you can, but try to get daily pictures. Consult with lawyers.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:21 am

Thanks Erica, I am moved to tears at thinking of your replies and support, I think I am very lucky to have found you and this forum.
I am going to send the operator an email and tell her not to call me.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:25 am

I have a photo 5 mins post treatment, 1.5 hours after and 2 hours after that was taken by my GP, I also have a photo with the dressing on, I have another dressing on now, is there ant point in photographing when there is a dressing on? Maybe for the 'laser splash'? Dressing meant to be on till 29 march so photos will look the same?
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:19 pm

FS, Are your burns 2nd or 3rd degree? By what you've written it sounds like possibly 3rd degree? I would run Biafine by your doc to make sure it's okay. I know on their website, they say indicated for first and second degree... But my friend used it with great success and as I mentioned previously, she described her burn as pretty severe, so I don't know....
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:45 pm

Hi Erica, my doc's have not told me what degree the burns are. But 10 days later there is still crusts on my face that are yet to fall off so I have no clue. I hope that the Biafine arrives in time for my next appointment fingers crossed.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Update and a couple of questions :)
I now have the burn dressing off all all of the missing skin has now healed. I have hyperpigmentation from 'IPL splash' over areas of my face that were not being treated and my bottom lip is damaged, dry and peeling and I look like i have lipliner on the bottom lip which is also hyperpigmentation. I have some pigment changes on my chin and three large areas of pink skin that is new and yet to be determined if that will go white, stay pink or make some other change. Next appointment with the derm is next week so hope to have some answers then.

I have received an email from the machines head office in the US asking for photos and saying that they need them for their own investigations to keep australian regulatory bodies happy. Should I be sending them? If they know that I was burnt and they have the information from the operator (she told me that they had been in touch with her) then why would they need my photos? For their own research maybe? When I was asking them questions regarding the use of the wrong head on this machine and the clincal implications of that they were not forthcoming with any information with the exception of see a dermatologist immediately.

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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:13 pm

My thoughts: Don't give them anything at this point, unless you are absolutely certain you will not be seeking some sort of personal compensation. Again, they aren't looking out for you, they're looking out for themselves.

I'm sorry to hear about your damage, my lips (upper and parts of lower) were also damaged. For me, the pigment changes on my lips remains, however, the hyperpigmentation on my skin did lighten.

My advise regarding your skin: baby it for a long time, months, maybe even a year or more. Derms are notorious for prescribing Retin-A and other topicals which may do more harm than good. Let your skin settle, and as you know, stay out of the sun when possible (easier said than done!) Use a good zinc based sunscreen. (I like Marie Veronique Organics- they have a tinted formula which contains soothing ingredients my skin likes and no, I'm not their spokesperson..lol)

I'm glad you posted, I have been thinking about you! BTW, private messaging has been disabled.

One more thing, check out Psoriagold! If I were you, I'd be using that now.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by DCNGA » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:26 pm

Please try to find out what the regulatory body is in Australia that governs this type of thing, contact them and ask them if you should supply the pictures to the device maker. They should be able to tell you if that is the right thing to do. Maybe you can supply the pictures straight to the Australain regulatory body, ask them. It never hurts to ask.

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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:43 pm

Yes it's a lumenis quantum, thanks for the advice I will look into the au authority :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:13 pm

Hi Erica thank you, your advice and support has been very uplifting. So sad that the PM's no longer available :( you are absolutely right, when I contacted them asking for advice and complication information they were not forth coming and just told me to see a dermatologist . It was not a machine error in this case so I don't see why they need my images. They know I was burnt they know the operators side of the story, maybe they want proof ?
I don't know what road I will be heading down that all depends on what damage there is and as you say the extent if the damage may not all be evident for some time. Sorry to hear of your damage, thank you again x
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by DCNGA » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:32 pm

I'll turn it back on in a few days or so.
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:50 pm

Hey FS, So if you need to correspond sooner privately, we can figure out a way via e-mail or Facebook. I want to warn you that lip healing is difficult because there aren't as many layers of skin there. If you end up getting the Psoriagold, Siana (the customer service woman) said it can be used on the lips, but just not too far in. It can be pretty drying though, so you'd want to purchase the regular formula and add moisture on top. THE best lip balm I've found (and trust me, I've tried alot) is Seven Balm. Bet you can't tell I've been down this road!! LOL
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:19 am

Thanks Erica, I will get onto those products thanks. I have hotmail with my username :) I am so tired of this situation, not knowing what to do , who to speak to and who not?? Let alone keep out the sun, heal, do the normal mum stuff :(
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:55 am

Thanks DCNGA :)
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by Erica » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:53 pm

Hey FS, we hear you. This forum is a lifesaver because of that reason.
“It always seems impossible until it's done.” Nelson Mandela
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:04 am

Erica wrote:Hey FS, we hear you. This forum is a lifesaver because of that reason.
Absolutely true :)

I found out that the aussie authority they were referring to is the TGA which is Australia's FDA :) I called them today and someone is getting back to me. So will see what they have to say so at the moment no photos for them. The email they sent they just start the email with my name not even a hello or good afternoon, which I find quite rude :( when I said i would contact the TGA and speak to my derm and then get back to them, there was not even an acknowledgement of my email, definately rude and looking after themselves
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:22 am

Hypopigmentation has begun :(
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Re: Newbie: IPL burns story

PostPosted by formerlysmiling » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:00 pm

Off to the dermatologist again today, a bit scared of what he has to say about the future of my face :(
I have had three different people contact me trying to get my photos for the company that makes the machine :(
coming up to $500 now in doctors, dermatologists and creams :(
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